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	<description>Blah blah blah, and of course blah. But not blah blah. Maybe some blah blah blah blah, know what I mean?</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on I Love This Song: &#8220;All of My Days and All of My Days Off&#8221; by A.C. Newman by Justin Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're going to hate this comparison, but it reminds me of a mix of Jethro Tull and Cat Stevens. It has the folky bombast of the former and the lyrical simplicity and beauty of the latter (not to mention Newman's similar sounding delivery).

In short, I dig it.

And while I think this would be a kick-ass first dance, I really think you'd be better off using one of her own songs to dedicate to Neko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re going to hate this comparison, but it reminds me of a mix of Jethro Tull and Cat Stevens. It has the folky bombast of the former and the lyrical simplicity and beauty of the latter (not to mention Newman&#8217;s similar sounding delivery).</p>
<p>In short, I dig it.</p>
<p>And while I think this would be a kick-ass first dance, I really think you&#8217;d be better off using one of her own songs to dedicate to Neko.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Insert Clever Title With the Words “Watch” and/or “Men”] by Justin Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://blog.manic-pop-thrills.com/2009/03/08/insert-clever-title-with-the-words-%e2%80%9cwatch%e2%80%9d-andor-%e2%80%9cmen%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems my suspicion was completely wrong. The film has done pretty well, with most non-comic types I know tracking just fine.

As for the protagonists, that's the funny thing about Watchmen: the story is chock full of spandex types, but there's really no "hero" of the piece. The character who is almost always right is an amoral rapist/murderer. The one who saves the world kills millions of innocents. You could see Dan and Laurie as the heroes, but they are basically stand-ins for the hoi polloi amongst gods.

I have to concede that Dr. Manhattan and Rorshach are handled pretty faithfully in the movie. I think part of the problem with the latter is that audiences immediately equate him with a hard-line, punching for justice character like Batman because that's what they expect to see. This "tragic hero" may have doomed the world to nuclear annihilation because his skewed world view would't allow him to compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems my suspicion was completely wrong. The film has done pretty well, with most non-comic types I know tracking just fine.</p>
<p>As for the protagonists, that&#8217;s the funny thing about Watchmen: the story is chock full of spandex types, but there&#8217;s really no &#8220;hero&#8221; of the piece. The character who is almost always right is an amoral rapist/murderer. The one who saves the world kills millions of innocents. You could see Dan and Laurie as the heroes, but they are basically stand-ins for the hoi polloi amongst gods.</p>
<p>I have to concede that Dr. Manhattan and Rorshach are handled pretty faithfully in the movie. I think part of the problem with the latter is that audiences immediately equate him with a hard-line, punching for justice character like Batman because that&#8217;s what they expect to see. This &#8220;tragic hero&#8221; may have doomed the world to nuclear annihilation because his skewed world view would&#8217;t allow him to compromise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Insert Clever Title With the Words “Watch” and/or “Men”] by GyRo</title>
		<link>http://blog.manic-pop-thrills.com/2009/03/08/insert-clever-title-with-the-words-%e2%80%9cwatch%e2%80%9d-andor-%e2%80%9cmen%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>GyRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Which leads me to my main point: I suspect that the movie doesn’t make any sense to anyone who hasn’t read the comic."

I know I'm a bad example (I understand Ocean's 12 front to back) for average film comprehension, but I never read the comic.  The film was disorienting for about 30 minutes, demanding complete attention to detail.  As long as you follow things, it begins to make perfect sense around the point you can distinguish characters from one another.

Your criticisms have already summed me up as well.  I always found it a bit too silly or overblown, but I ended up liking both Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach, neither of whom really deserve it.  Rorschach is completely broken but the centerpiece of the protagonists?  Really?  Maybe if there had been some point to it, but he's been glorified as some kind of tragic hero as much as Batman in The Dark Knight.  I guess that just sums up the silliness of the film.

Does the comic handle those two characters better?  I'm a fan of dysfunctional characters getting called out on their inadequacies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Which leads me to my main point: I suspect that the movie doesn’t make any sense to anyone who hasn’t read the comic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m a bad example (I understand Ocean&#8217;s 12 front to back) for average film comprehension, but I never read the comic.  The film was disorienting for about 30 minutes, demanding complete attention to detail.  As long as you follow things, it begins to make perfect sense around the point you can distinguish characters from one another.</p>
<p>Your criticisms have already summed me up as well.  I always found it a bit too silly or overblown, but I ended up liking both Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach, neither of whom really deserve it.  Rorschach is completely broken but the centerpiece of the protagonists?  Really?  Maybe if there had been some point to it, but he&#8217;s been glorified as some kind of tragic hero as much as Batman in The Dark Knight.  I guess that just sums up the silliness of the film.</p>
<p>Does the comic handle those two characters better?  I&#8217;m a fan of dysfunctional characters getting called out on their inadequacies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Best of 2008: Not This Blog by GyRo567</title>
		<link>http://blog.manic-pop-thrills.com/2008/12/28/best-of-2008-not-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>GyRo567</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll still tag along as a fanboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll still tag along as a fanboy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Insert Clever Title With the Words “Watch” and/or “Men”] by Justin Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://blog.manic-pop-thrills.com/2009/03/08/insert-clever-title-with-the-words-%e2%80%9cwatch%e2%80%9d-andor-%e2%80%9cmen%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would call that "variations on a theme."

But, OK, let's say you're right What if the episodes were 30 minutes each? I still think that would be preferable to the movie because the story works best when broken into the discrete chapters of the original serial. Each has its own satisfying arc that also contributes to the overall plot. 

That would allow more time for the character development that Snyder tried to do within too compressed a time frame. You'd never get all of the subtle references and backstory that is layered within the art (which is why no adaptation can every be wholly "faithful"). But you'd still get a better sense of who these people are, because you wouldn't be trying to process the whole thing in one go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would call that &#8220;variations on a theme.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, OK, let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re right What if the episodes were 30 minutes each? I still think that would be preferable to the movie because the story works best when broken into the discrete chapters of the original serial. Each has its own satisfying arc that also contributes to the overall plot. </p>
<p>That would allow more time for the character development that Snyder tried to do within too compressed a time frame. You&#8217;d never get all of the subtle references and backstory that is layered within the art (which is why no adaptation can every be wholly &#8220;faithful&#8221;). But you&#8217;d still get a better sense of who these people are, because you wouldn&#8217;t be trying to process the whole thing in one go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Insert Clever Title With the Words “Watch” and/or “Men”] by steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thing is that I don't there there's as much nuance to warrant a 12-part miniseries. There's certainly a quantity of story there, but a lot of it is multiple variations of, "look at how fucked up everything is" (which, in retrospect, was pretty much wrong). Or it's, "superheros would be psychos, and here's another example."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thing is that I don&#8217;t there there&#8217;s as much nuance to warrant a 12-part miniseries. There&#8217;s certainly a quantity of story there, but a lot of it is multiple variations of, &#8220;look at how fucked up everything is&#8221; (which, in retrospect, was pretty much wrong). Or it&#8217;s, &#8220;superheros would be psychos, and here&#8217;s another example.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on [Insert Clever Title With the Words “Watch” and/or “Men”] by Justin Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://blog.manic-pop-thrills.com/2009/03/08/insert-clever-title-with-the-words-%e2%80%9cwatch%e2%80%9d-andor-%e2%80%9cmen%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I believe you said *every single point* that I was going to make. Did you come over to my house and do a mind meld before I went to see this today?

Needless to say, I agree with you. The level to which I agree surprises me, since I believe I established my higher level of comic geek-ery when I complained about you using "Comic Book" for "Superhero" in an issue of CGM.

The bottom line is that "Watchmen" fell into the same trap as "Sin City." Both were so devoted to recreating the source material that they forgot to remember that the two art forms play by different rules.

A perfect example relates to your complaint of how the Janey-Jon story was handled. As you know, most of the 12 issues of Watchmen focused on a single character and how that person's past and present was affecting the story line. And, as you noticed, the movie mirrored that structure *exactly,* causing new backstory to hit about every 20-30 minutes.

Fortunately for you, Dr. Manhattan's history was in the fourth issue, so it came relatively early. But by the time we get to Rorshach, not only has the pace been murdered, but there are so many threads that it's hard to keep them straight.

Which leads me to my main point: I suspect that the movie doesn't make any sense to anyone who hasn't read the comic. It's impossible for me to tell, given the fact that I am so familiar with the source material, but there's just too much going on for a film.

Snyder needed to do one of the following: 

1) Cut it down to a single, clear arc that touches on the major themes of the book and accentuate it with hints of the character stuff (getting rid of the Black Freighter and Under the Hood isn't nearly enough).

2) Pitch it to HBO as the 12-part maxiseries it should have been and do justice to all of the nuance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I believe you said *every single point* that I was going to make. Did you come over to my house and do a mind meld before I went to see this today?</p>
<p>Needless to say, I agree with you. The level to which I agree surprises me, since I believe I established my higher level of comic geek-ery when I complained about you using &#8220;Comic Book&#8221; for &#8220;Superhero&#8221; in an issue of CGM.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; fell into the same trap as &#8220;Sin City.&#8221; Both were so devoted to recreating the source material that they forgot to remember that the two art forms play by different rules.</p>
<p>A perfect example relates to your complaint of how the Janey-Jon story was handled. As you know, most of the 12 issues of Watchmen focused on a single character and how that person&#8217;s past and present was affecting the story line. And, as you noticed, the movie mirrored that structure *exactly,* causing new backstory to hit about every 20-30 minutes.</p>
<p>Fortunately for you, Dr. Manhattan&#8217;s history was in the fourth issue, so it came relatively early. But by the time we get to Rorshach, not only has the pace been murdered, but there are so many threads that it&#8217;s hard to keep them straight.</p>
<p>Which leads me to my main point: I suspect that the movie doesn&#8217;t make any sense to anyone who hasn&#8217;t read the comic. It&#8217;s impossible for me to tell, given the fact that I am so familiar with the source material, but there&#8217;s just too much going on for a film.</p>
<p>Snyder needed to do one of the following: </p>
<p>1) Cut it down to a single, clear arc that touches on the major themes of the book and accentuate it with hints of the character stuff (getting rid of the Black Freighter and Under the Hood isn&#8217;t nearly enough).</p>
<p>2) Pitch it to HBO as the 12-part maxiseries it should have been and do justice to all of the nuance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galactrixina by Justin Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hacking cascades are annoying, but what's really making me tear my hair are the constant five-second freezes during the game. I've searched all over for a fix, but the only one I was able to find doesn't work. It doesn't appear to be a universal problem, but I've seen enough complaints to know that it's a verifiable issue.

The DS version may be hosed, but the freezing is making the PC version really frustrating, especially for a game that's supposed to be good for shorter play sessions.

Maybe I'm being punished for not waiting for the 360 release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hacking cascades are annoying, but what&#8217;s really making me tear my hair are the constant five-second freezes during the game. I&#8217;ve searched all over for a fix, but the only one I was able to find doesn&#8217;t work. It doesn&#8217;t appear to be a universal problem, but I&#8217;ve seen enough complaints to know that it&#8217;s a verifiable issue.</p>
<p>The DS version may be hosed, but the freezing is making the PC version really frustrating, especially for a game that&#8217;s supposed to be good for shorter play sessions.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being punished for not waiting for the 360 release.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galactrixina by Justin Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a shame about the DS. I really hope that they reverse their decision on not making a PSP version. I could see this eating up a lot of time on my commute.

Now where's that PC download link...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a shame about the DS. I really hope that they reverse their decision on not making a PSP version. I could see this eating up a lot of time on my commute.</p>
<p>Now where&#8217;s that PC download link&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galactrixina by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard the DS version has serious load time issues, which I wasn't even aware could be a problem.

I downloaded a mod that turned off the hacking timer while chains are firing off, and wouldn't you know... it's almost too easy. So all the challenge in hacking comes from the time spent watching all sorts of fun matching. 

Very weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the DS version has serious load time issues, which I wasn&#8217;t even aware could be a problem.</p>
<p>I downloaded a mod that turned off the hacking timer while chains are firing off, and wouldn&#8217;t you know&#8230; it&#8217;s almost too easy. So all the challenge in hacking comes from the time spent watching all sorts of fun matching. </p>
<p>Very weird.</p>
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